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Date: 2006-02-25 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
yes, i have never been abroad but the impression i get from many posts 'westerners' write is LET ME BREATHE FUCK LET ME BREATHE!
all those tiny regulations, sense of responsibility, the need to be more positive and what's not! in russia you run more risks i guess, people are less friendly, probably, but at least there's no such constant, stable social pressure, unless you watch tv/read papers. which is only natural since there's no stable society! on the other hand, i know very little about other countries and the feel of them, at least, there are many mellow/ironic/relaxed people from civilized countries, right? probably much more than from russia. so there, no conclusion.

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Date: 2006-02-25 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
Just went looking for fine examples of Western suburbia, and found a real good one...

http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.569923,-87.80856&spn=0.001722,0.003101&t=k

(Hopefully that's not too slow on dialup.)

That doesn't look like a "gated community" though, which are walled little villages where you're supposidly safe from all the low-life that threatens you.

Umm, a gated community: http://www.fullerlandsales.com/ "God Bless America"...

there are many mellow/ironic/relaxed people from civilized countries, right?

Yeah, though a lot fewer than there used to be, I think. The retired seem relaxed, but the rest seem on a treadmill. In the 50s the typical lifestyle was dad went to work (40 hours a week) and mum stayed home and looked after the house and kids. Now it's closer to both parents working 40 hours a week, though the typical nuclear family of mum, dad and the kids is mostly a myth now, the kids having quite a choice of parents these days. :-) And couples not having kids by choice being more common.

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Date: 2006-02-25 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
the first image looks quite awful. i don't understand, i could never understand that, why such tiny plots of land. that should make living there nearly impossible with your neighbours lurking around/in the yard/behind the curtains/under your nose all the time. and this, i gather, is not a place where poorest people live. the same goes on in russia now, and even worse: wealthy people building huge castles on tiny plots of land and living in these neighbourhoods, crammed up like a fucking hostel. yes, i understand, land should be quite expensive around moscow, but they all have cars, why not buy 10 acres some 50 km further away??? and that first picture also looks like an ant-hip or a hive, people are not supposed to be that symmetrically organized, it's bad for their carma, okay? ok, whatever
and the gated community - well, it looks fun (not so much in photos here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gated_Community). i wonder what's the atmosphere/feel of a typical rich people's gated community. would you want to cry LET ME BREATHE in a month? i have no idea. my aunt visits her cousins in america sometimes, one of them is rather rich and i think she lives in something like a gated community - at least, they have deers strolling into their yard.
about how relaxed people are/used to be -- i don't know, i think it's a very complex thing, especially on a cross-cultural level, i guess young people are supposed to be more relaxed in some respects at least, what with liberalism, internet, free flow of information etc. i don't know, really

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Date: 2006-02-25 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
why such tiny plots of land

The developers would've decided that. Twice as many plots on the land they're subdividing means more money for them.

That's middle-class housing, and the usual middle-class couple are both working, meaning no-one to maintain a garden except at the weekend, so a small garden's prefered. The rich upper-classes can afford gardeners though, (or the wife doesn't work), so they do buy plots with a decent amount of land...

http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=41.522941,-87.931266&spn=0.003446,0.006201&t=k

Scroll out from most big cities in the West and you'll see that divide - the very rich are the ones who can afford some space in suburbia.

I think it'd be pleasant enough in a gated community. It wouldn't feel very natural though, but then neither is a suburb without gates, so it's a trade-off for security and a place that's clean and nicely maintained.

And I think they're a horrible idea! :-) It's a running away from the real world in my opinion. Shudder!

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
meaning no-one to maintain a garden except at the weekend, so a small garden's prefered

just how stupid is that. overgown/neglected garden is the best garden anyhow...

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
But they lower the surrounding house prices, so people complain... This is the loop we're in.

And here's a current NZ news story...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3582063a11,00.html

Money spent putting microchips into dogs would be better spent on registering owners and ensuring they had training in controlling their animals, Marlborough dog breeder and international dog trialist Ken White says.

"Politicians are using scare tactics as a knee-jerk reaction to recent dog incidents. Putting a chip in a dog isn't going to change its behaviour."

All dogs first registered after July 1 this year will have to have to be implanted with a microchip to make it easier to identify the dog and its owner.

Mr White said the move to extend the chipping to farm dogs defied logic.


How far do you think that's off in Russia? :-)

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
beautiful. i wonder what street phtographers do in your country? probably they died out along with the street animals/hanged themselves a long time ago!

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
Actually, I've a Russian photographer on my FL who's living in NZ. See [livejournal.com profile] antipodean_wor. Not many photos recently, but if you start a while back, there's plenty. Say from here...

http://antipodean-wor.livejournal.com/2005/01/13/

You won't see many people though.

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
hahahaha

Image

if i weren't on dialup, i'd have a lot of photographers on my fl too!

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Date: 2006-02-25 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
Hee, hee...

http://stillcarl.livejournal.com/7282.html

Who was killed by roaming dogs, as it happens. :-(

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
And shouldn't you be working? ;-)

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
damn, you're right, i'm shirking my project actually. mais enough, i'm going to work right now!

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Date: 2006-02-25 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillcarl.livejournal.com
But then the West has exciting cities like Las Vegas (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=las+vegas&ll=36.173773,-115.243492&spn=0.029723,0.077591&t=k) which makes up for it, right?

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