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Date: 2005-03-12 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
this has nothing to do with forced labour. this is plain old war prisoner torture. see that camouflage shirt on one of the executioners?

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
I had no idea that Russia was at war with Vietnam. I thought Afghanistan was your last ill fated adventure ? Oh wait, is the above Vietnamese Prisoner a mercenary for the Chechen Rebels that you happened to capture ? LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
no, in fact there are no russians here. these are authentic vintage american-soldiers-vietcong-torturing pictures from the 60s

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
Huh, you must be mistaken, American soldiers always treat prisoners well. After they liberate them from the enslavement of Fascism, Communism and other miscellaneous evil rulers they hand out Hershey Bars and Nylon Stockings and then re-build their cities and towns and give them billions in foreign aid. And everyone lives happily ever ! LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
sounds fine, but these [authentic vintage] pictures testify otherwise

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
Yeah sure and chickens have lips. I am well aware of how the KGB dstorts and fakes evidence. I've read about Russian Show Trials. You ain't fooling no one here ! ha ha ha . . . LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
don't try to deny facts. this is a vietcong prisoner, and he is being tortured by american war criminals

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Date: 2005-03-12 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
Dream on my Russian Dove. LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
Uh uh, and i'm pretty that version would be happily acknowledged
by the lucky pensioners of the Abu Grahib resort.
Those who got a torch shoved up their ass,
menstruation blood put over their face,
and were piled up naked into
sophisticated'n'joyful
pyramids.

Well, i mean,
that would be acknowledged,
only by those who could survive it.

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Date: 2005-03-12 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
well, there should be SOME price for freedom, shouldn't be there?

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Date: 2005-03-12 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
You know I never could figure out of why so much fuss was made over that. First off the prisoners were not soldiers but Terrorist Cowards and Scum, as well as a few common criminals and as such were not covered under the Geneva Convention Rules regarding prisoners of war. And second off , the so-called torture consisted of what, being tied together naked with their homosexual comrades or being made to stand up for several hours naked ? At it's worst it paled compared to what their former boss, Sadam, had done to innocent Women and children. And third, it was a aberration of the character of the overwhelming majority of American Soldiers and further more those responsible were arrested and sentenced to prison, unlike the Vichy French that allied with and collaborated with Nazi Germany and after WWII went on to reclaim their colonial Empire and torture thousands of ARABS In Algeria. LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
let's just kill each other with one huge a-bomb. my advice, guys

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Date: 2005-03-12 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
Um well, actually no.

Hopefully they'll first get rotten from the inside first,
eating fat hamburgers, driving big polluting trucks,
and watching the last Bruce Willis
as only cultural event.

Then civilized people who actually want to act
in a civilized manner can get together
and build something a bit more exciting
than Britney Spears and Coke for all.

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Date: 2005-03-12 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
well, but you certainly want them to do all the dirty work first, like taking down taliban and all those numerous threats that could be an annoyance to us, civilized people?

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Date: 2005-03-12 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
Things are reaching such a point,
that i wonder if their influence
is now more an appeasing factor
than a source of tensions.

Why does Iran need weapons of mass destruction weapons so much - seriously ?

Not even mentionning, that omniscient and sickening praise of the military,
the denying of international treaties and the systematic bashing of international institutions.

Not understanding why so much fuss was made over that silly little story of torture,
well, okay, some people died, but well, you know, things happen, and they were bad dudes,
and you know Saddam was worst than us. And other people did bad things too.

This beginning of millenium is a step back in civilisation.
But they will get rotten, i'm confident.

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Date: 2005-03-12 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
well, i don't want to insist that bush is my favorite celebrity, but *their* role is at least controversial now. and regardless of that role, to wish *them* to *rot from the inside* is a little (a tiny bit) too much, especially considering the fact that half of *their* population doesn't support bush's policy. i'm not even getting into the evident fact that *their* culture isn't limited to spears, coke [and whatever]. and of course i don't want to remind you about *their* role in the war with one of the more civilized european nations not so long ago

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
Of course there is no need to state the obvious. I do have numerous american friends, they are absolutely lovely as individuals, i'm totally in love with NYC, and i'm glad and grateful the Us came to save our butts, twice, in the past century.

Those wars were not so long ago indeed, and international cooperation has been undertaken in order to prevent such kind of awful nonsense from ever happening again. The UN has been created, crime courts have been installed, treaties have been signed. They are far from perfect, that is as obvious as the rest, and as such shouldn't even need to be mentionned, but that's all we have for now, and and withouth them we are back into the middle age, back to the law of the jungle where the stongest rules and the others shut up. That is not my vision of the future, however full of good intentions the strongest is.

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
this as quite undeniable, but i don't see how this goes with wishing that those-stupid-spears-loving-truck-driving americans rot inside and all that stuff

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
*They* had a chance to get rid of the freak,
he had made an outstanding demonstration of his abilties,
and... *they* elected him with an even greater majority.
I conclude that obviously, *they* have different values and different priorities.

It's not the end of the world.
Let whatever has to happen to them happen now,
we have warned as much as we could about dangerous lines being crossed,
and we got fairly enough insulted in return.

So yeah, let them get rotten on their part of the atlantic,
if that can spare us further absurd wars, or let's hope they open
their eyes and realize this is a dead-end way they have taken,
with this brutalistic testoterone-driven approach - that is the
optimisitic version. In any case, i have ceased to care much.

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Date: 2005-03-12 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
Ahhhh Yes, such a mistake it was to come save your sorry French Asses not once but twice and allow you to re-enslave your former colonies like "French" Indochina and "French" West Africa and the Island Nations in the South Pacific, ect . . . as well as lending your sorry ass nation billions of dollars under the Marshall Plan to re-build your sorry ass nation, after you capitulated to the Germans and then aligned yourselves w/them, as well as with the Imperial Japanese in your sphere of influence in Asia, that you have neglected to pay back other than in your ingratitude and self serving pompous self rightness illusion of grandeur and power. Or maybe the crooked deals that your government made with Sadam with the Oil for Food Program or the help you gave him to build that nuclear reactor in the 80's ? Gawd, you French are like Dog Shit that one finds they've stepped on during a stroll during a bright and sunny day in the park. Maybe you just need to go bomb kill and maim some more civilians in west Africa next week, that'll make you feel like a World Power, huh ?

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Date: 2005-03-12 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylys.livejournal.com
Oh i doubt not you would stick a bullet between my eyes were i around.
But except for proving my point you are not adding much there.

The world and my country not being perfect
doesn't provide any kind of justification for
eroding the rule of law, spiting on international
institutions and blatantly disregarding human rights.

Especially not for the land of the free,
the home of the brave, and the finest of the finest.

This being said,
i hope you mind not if
i pompously ignore any subsequent insult.

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
were that YOU who coined that term 'freedom fries'?

on a side note: oh mein gott. you dirty people how dare you talk this ghastly political shit in my journal?

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
I apologize to you Virad Lee. There is no excuse for that Frenchmen's ignorance and crude behavior. As well as for my response, but not the truth of same, to his self serving pompous hypocritical statements. LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
oh great. here we go again. i don't respond to any posts in this thread any longer

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Date: 2005-03-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
ha ha ha . . . I do not blame you. Playing the role of meditator is not so easy huh ? ha ha ha . . .Anyway, I truly do apologize for this thread becoming what it had. If the Frenchman simply did not involve himself in our original jesting with one another, sigh. Oh well, in closing I love your ability to play with me at times with our mutual dry and sometimes sarcastic and yes, twisted as well, humor ! LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-13 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ezhan.livejournal.com
Realy? You're wery funny... American propaganda works well and after the Cold War as well, as I see. Just look at Iraq.

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Date: 2005-03-13 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
mmm . . . Are you really that naive ? I mean do you think that your beloved Estonia would be a Independent Nation today if it were not for the U S A and particular President Reagan and his policies ? As far as Iraq goes time is required to defeat the remnants of the Sadam's former regime as well as the terrorist cells that only wish to bring anarchy and misery to the vast majority of Iraq's citizens that only wish to create a civilized and democratic society for themselves. By the way, it is difficult, to say the least, to rebuild a country while the aforementioned destructive elements continue to cause death and destruction without care to women, children and peaceful men. LOLove.

By the way, my mutual banter with [livejournal.com profile] vriad_lee is best to stay out of unless you can appreciate and understand the innocent play on words & such that we have. For you are the second person to misunderstand it's content. LOLove.

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Date: 2005-03-13 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
let me know if that bothers you, i can freeze the thread

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Date: 2005-03-13 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ezhan.livejournal.com
No comments. Sorry.

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