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Date: 2005-09-16 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
mmm . . . Things have really gone down hill for the Communists since they lost power huh ?

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Date: 2005-09-16 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
i knew you would say something along these lines. homeless people are your favourite subject

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Date: 2005-09-16 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigobl.livejournal.com
Things have really gone down in New Orleans since they lost power too, huh!

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
Yeah you got that right. 40 years of Democrat Party Rule/Socialism in New Orleans was proven to be a wrong headed idea. The overwhelming suffering and despair of the poor was "In Your Face" proof of that. But hey, one never learns, there is now talk of giving everyone a check of $100,000 to help them get back on their feet. Ummmmmm, maybe I am being hard, but I doubt if those that are possibly going to receive such a check even had 2 cents in savings or possessions to begin with before the Hurricane struck. Oh well . . . the cycle will continue I guess. I'd wager that the majority of those that receive such an amount will not have much if any of it to show within a year of receiving it. Anyway . . .

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
no political flame wars in my journal for god's sake. at least, no political flame wars

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigobl.livejournal.com
Are you suggesting that Katrina hit because of the political party in power? You would not be the first.

Take a look at this analysis:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

That being said, America the great has spent and is spending billions to get Iraq rebuilt, and when something happens here we are all supposed to blame those who didn't have the resources in the first place.

At the same time you bring up an interesting point about measurement of damages. You claim, "I doubt if those that are possibly going to receive such a check even had 2 cents in savings or possessions to begin with," so you are only considering the value of possessions as damage. I am uncertain that we can measure all damages this way. There is a certain value to a person's employment. In fact, this is well-recognized with insurance programs, such as disability insurance and unemployment programs. America has long recognized "pain and suffering" in economic terms, but "pain and suffering" is not exactly measured based on "savings or possessions."

By no means do I know what a perfect solution might look like. I am not suggesting that "giving everyone a check of $100,000" is a good solution either, but at the same time I question the basic function of government if it is not for protection and safety. Why do I as a citizen want "fire and police protection." There is no way that any one citizen can be prepared for major disasters. In some third-world countries there are gangs and unsanctioned military organizations to provide "protection," and I hope we never have to resort to that in America.

Whether you want to admit it or not, much like homelessness, it's a difficult situation for everyone in America.

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lather2002.livejournal.com
"Are you suggesting that Katrina hit because of the political party in power? You would not be the first."

Huh ? Where in the world did you get that idea ? What I was saying I believe was quite evident. And that is simply that the welfare/Socialist policies of the Democrat Party in New Orleans did nothing to alleviate the poor/homeless other than to have their numbers grow with each generation as well as to condition people in their circumstance(s) to rely on Government to sustain them and to bail them out instead of relying on their own abilities and will. Anyway, I made my point, whether you or anyone else agrees or not to the cold hard facts that was exposed for all to see on National/Worldwide Television.

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Date: 2005-09-16 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigobl.livejournal.com
To quote you, "40 years of Democrat Party Rule/Socialism in New Orleans was proven to be a wrong headed idea." I can only take that you suggest that Katrina would not have been so bad had a different political party been in New Orleans. If you believe it is "quite evident," then please explain what is going on in my head when I read it.

That being said, I saw the suffering. I saw the home videos. I have heard the national radio programs. I have read news reports. I have read LJ journals about it. I have reviewed the American Red Cross response. I have read, watched, considered, the whole situation.

I have even heard claims that the storm hit because the people in that area are poor, black, homosexual, and the like. I have also heard claims that the government, including President Bush, didn't take an interest soon enough because of the "value" of the people involved.

I also read that you placed a certain economic value of about 2 cents to each person.

There are so many dead people that it will be years, if ever, before the identity of the people killed will be known. We have children searching for parents, and vice versa. If my child were to come up missing, I would call the police, not the American Red Cross, but maybe I should rethink who to call after seeing what happened.

Yes, I did listen. Yes, I did read. Yes, I did watch.

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Date: 2005-09-16 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozerko.livejournal.com
это где вы снимали?

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Date: 2005-09-16 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
в питере, около метро чернышевского

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Date: 2005-09-16 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shepa.livejournal.com
Гоп-стоп идёт! Прячь камеру скорее!

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Date: 2005-09-16 01:32 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2005-09-16 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zzzing.livejournal.com
who are those people?

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Date: 2005-09-16 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
homeless people probably, tramps

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Date: 2005-09-16 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazy-on.livejournal.com
и все харАктерные, заметно более чем товарищи в смокингах!
Наташе респект за снимки и игрушки :))

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abele.livejournal.com
u krajnego sleva kotenok za pazuhoj?

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
щенок!

Image

надо же, а мы не заметили :)

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigobl.livejournal.com
Nevermind, I think the other person asked that, even though I don't know Russian.

u krajnego sleva kotenok za pazuhoj?

"a pazuhoj" I am guessing is a puppy...

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Date: 2005-09-16 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
no! za pazuhoj means in one's bosom. and abele thought it was a kitten (kotenok)...

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Date: 2005-09-16 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigobl.livejournal.com
Thanks for the translation. I know some German, but I would *love* to learn Russian.


I really think this is a great capture! The kitten part just adds to the entire situation.

I think lather and myself are done now.

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Date: 2005-09-16 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tashidelek.livejournal.com
ну красавцы!!!

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Date: 2005-09-17 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
какие замечательные гоблины:)

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Date: 2005-09-17 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
хорошая у вас в юзеринфо фотография :)

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Date: 2005-09-17 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
спасибо:) это меня приятель фоткал

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Date: 2005-09-17 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
гы! какая прелесть:) спасиб:)

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
блин, работать надо...

Image

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
все-все, последняя нафиг

Image

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
э как тебя прет с меня!!!!! Может еще фоток подкинуть;)?

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
НЕТ! мне работать надо... и так еле фотошоп закрыла :)

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
а ты кем работаешь? если не секрет? к тому же сейсчас субота! какая работа в субботу?!! шабат нах!

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
переводчиком-фрилансером. так что на меня суббота не распространяется

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
понятна! а с какого на какой?

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Date: 2005-09-17 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
с английского на русский, всякие технические тексты в основном

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Date: 2005-09-17 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
бедный ребенак! ни отдыху ни продыху!

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Date: 2005-09-17 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
не, я по идее по выходным только и работаю. но сейчас что-то лень замучила

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Date: 2005-09-17 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silkasoft.livejournal.com
не по выходным мы пива пьем:) присоединяйся как-нибудь!

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