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vriad_lee ([personal profile] vriad_lee) wrote2006-02-14 11:14 pm
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If by Rudyard Kipling



If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, i reread it, and most of it is water, to me, although i have't had to dissect it, fortunately. what's 'goosing statues', does it mean 'catcalling'?

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
god, i don't even know.

i am water, even.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
how the fuck did you dissect it and you don't know?? F, sit down!
now, i find myself willing to say 'it's a good poem', if there's anything good in a poem at all. like, that whining about dead minds in the higher places, i just skip it in my head, it's not interesting at all

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
that's exactly how i dissected it, by ignoring the parts that i didn't like or understand! the teacher didn't mind if only because she didn't like/understand the same parts.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
that's hilarious, i mean, that's hilarious

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
maybe

To poke, prod, or pinch (a person) between or on the buttocks

maybe he's talking about... pawing statues?

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
WAIT, WHAT!?

you russians!

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, we russians do that all the time in pushkin museum. WHAT?

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU ARE GOING DIRECTLY OVER MY HEAD! the hilariousness of it is going to kill me.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
you're constantly using expressions i don't know. GOING DIRECTLY OVER YOUR HEAD. what the fuck is that, i see it for the first time in my life. i know you just try to annoy me!

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
over my head= you've lost me, i don't understand you.

and yes, basically, i like the idea of annoying you.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
do you know that i can't understand half of the chit-chat you have in your journal with your friends? half of it is going directly over my head!

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
it's funnier that way!

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
no, it's not funny at all. if i didn't know there was nothing interesting in there, i might have the incentive to understand, but the way it is i just want to kick your asses. BLAH BLAH BLAH

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Arrival
And yet one arrives somehow,
finds himself loosening the hooks of
her dress
in a strange bedroom--
feels the autumn
dropping its silk and linen leaves
about her ankles.
The tawdry veined body emerges
twisted upon itself
like a winter wind . . . !

William Carlos Williams


that's about my arrival to canada, your veined body emerges

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Veined, what a romantic word.

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
my sarcasm goes over your head.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
then at least explain to me, what do they mean by 'twisted upon itself'?

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
i don't know! god, i don't know everything.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
ok, relax, you'll grow up and find out

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, one day i will evolve and suddenly it will dawn on me what "twisted upon itself" means.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
i think you will forget me that very day. i'm too miserable for someone who understands what "twisted upon itself" means

[identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
you will get it over eventually.

now i'm going to go get ready for the lesbians.

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, right, and i was about to ask what you meant by... ok, go to your lesbians, and i will go to bed. also, NO I WON'T. you're my true love forever. such a pity you're a stupid heartless bitch!
~good night/day

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-14 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The tawdry veined body emerges
twisted upon itself
like a winter wind . . . !

in fact maybe we are not supposed to understand this at all

[identity profile] emma-loy.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
i think the :twisted upon herself" person just holds herself trying to shrink off from you. like this:

Image

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
yes, probably! or maybe she indulges in unhealthy masturbation.

[identity profile] emma-loy.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
what the fk is unhealthy masturbation?

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
that's when you musturbate and masturbate and masturbate, and at some point all that masturbation undermines your health, that's why it's called 'unhealthy', basically

[identity profile] emma-loy.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
hmmm... does it help to lose weight? probably i should try it then...

[identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com 2006-02-15 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
unhealthy masturbation will make you skinny in no time! you will also undermine your health in general, but come on, everything comes at a price, doesn't it