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the best often die by their own hand
just to get away,
and those left behind
can never quite understand
why anybody
would ever want to
get away
from
them

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Date: 2006-02-06 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
i hate charles bukowski.

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Date: 2006-02-06 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
because he's a paedophile?

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Date: 2006-02-06 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
no, that's forgivable. what's not forgivable is writing bad poetry about it, ha ha ha.

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Date: 2006-02-06 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
but some of his poems are good, ain't they? he's very prolific, there's a lot of water in his poems. but i think some of them are very nice

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Date: 2006-02-06 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
he's definitely overrated though.

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Date: 2006-02-07 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
ha ha look i'm starting rumors.

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Date: 2006-02-07 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
tell me that all that paedophile theory is your insidious slander. i learnt about it from you. why do you hate the great poet, the good old bloke, why lindsay?

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
it wasn't necessarily a rumor, it was just me pointing wildly and saying "hello? he is sitting in his apartment jerking off to the sound of a four year old being raped by her father and he skipped a line after every third or so word so it's considered a poem?"

i mean honestly, i don't know how something like that could have even been considered poetry. and there are others- of him sitting in his car jerking off while watching young girls. or driving by schools and imagining himself with the girls. i am no prude, it's just that these particular poems cross the line.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
jerking off? where did you see that?

beheaded in the middle of the
night
scratching my sides
I am covered with bites
kick my white legs out of the sheets
as the sirens scream
there is a gun blast.

I go to the kitchen
for a glass of water
destroy the reverie of a roach
destroy the roach.
a gale comes from the North
as the man in the apartment across
from me
inserts his penis into the rump of his
4 year old
daughter.

I hear the screams
light a cigar
stick it into the lips of my
beheaded head.
it is half a cigar
stale
a Medalist Naturales, No. 7.

I walk back to the bedroom
with a spray can.
I press the button.
it hisses. I
gag,
think of ancient wars
loves dead.

so much happens in the dark
yet tomorrow
the sun will move up and on,
you'll get a ticket if you park on the
south side of the street on
Thursday
or the north side on
Friday.

the efficiency of the sun and the
law
bulwarks sanity.

something bites me.
I madden
spray half my
bedsheets.

I turn
see the dark mirror-
the cigar
the loose belly
me
old.

I laugh.

it's good they don't
know.

I take my head

put it back on my
neck

get between the sheets and

can't sleep.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
because there are so many poems of him talking about this sort of thing, i mixed up. it's in another poem, it goes something like: i jerk off while thinking of a little girl i saw last week on a red tricycle".

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
he can jerk off to whatever he wishes as long as it doesn't harm anyone. it's just that if he were jerking off to the sound of a 4 year old girl being raped it would have made him a far more unpleasant characted than if he jerks to a memory of a little girl on a red tricycle.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
and the question of can/can't be considered a poem is ever so much beside the point.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
you're right - where is the line between writing about pedophilia and writing poetry.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
wait, i take that back. i guess even perverts/pedophiles can be poets too. whether they are good/i like them or not isn't the point. i guess, i guess. it is too early in the morning.

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Date: 2006-02-07 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
if bukowski wanted to have sex with bus tailpipes, you'd forgive him being a good poet. and he wants to fuck little girls, so what? that doesn't mean he fucks them.

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Date: 2006-02-07 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poemtree.livejournal.com
listen, i'm not even going to touch that statement because i don't want to fight or argue with you over something as trivial as a poet/poem. also maybe the fact that he is dead and it no longer matters should shut me up anyway.

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Date: 2006-02-07 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
oh for god's sake, don't be so lame. let me covert you into a paedophile! at your age, you'll be barely legal, paedophile.

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Date: 2006-02-07 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obliterati.livejournal.com
I love Bukowski, I have heard nothing about him being a pedophile.

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Date: 2006-02-07 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vriad-lee.livejournal.com
i remember someone sticking something into the rump of their 4 y.o. daughter in one of his poems, but the memory is vague

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